Israel has wanted American support to bomb Iranian nuclear sites for decades. But U.S. presidents, both Republican and Democrat, have resisted — until President Trump. So, what changed? And what are the likely consequences of that decision?
Aaron David Miller is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a longtime diplomat in the region. He joins me to discuss recent events and how the latest attacks on Iran have changed the balance of power in the Middle East.
0:00 Introduction
2:39 The Aftermath of the Strikes
7:25 Trump's Transactional Approach
12:26 A New Middle East?
17:14 The Challenge of Leadership
23:12 Trump's Role: Ruse or Reaction?
31:17 Regional Power
38:04 Was the Bombing in America's Interest?
39:33 The JCPOA and Future Diplomacy
42:43 The Future of the Region and Leadership
48:26 Book recommendations
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