Andrew calls asking why religious experiences aren't afforded the same level of credibility as transgender people's subjective experiences. The hosts thoughtfully distinguish testability and demonstrated impact. They explain spiritual claims about the nature of reality differ fundamentally from transgender identities only affecting individual well-being. Though Andrew feels religion deeply shapes personal identity like gender, the hosts illustrate religious beliefs vary across people and cultures unlike innate attributes.
They emphasize respecting people's spiritual experiences as felt perceptions while scrutinizing unevidenced supernatural explanations. Andrew acknowledges religion's potential toxicity yet maintains it benefits society. But the hosts stress proportioning confidence in claims to quality of supportive evidence regardless of any personal meaning imbued. They illustrate even deeply meaningful beliefs warrant skepticism when asserted as reality-defining truths.
Overall the call remains congenial with Andrew and the hosts finding common ground on respecting individuals' right to self-identity while disagreeing on what conclusions are warranted from spiritual experiences.
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