John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

John Schulman on how posttraining tames the shoggoth, and the nature of the progress to come... Timestamps: 00:00:00 Pre-training, post-training, and future capabilities 00:17:21 Plan for AGI 2025 00:29:43 Teaching models to reason 00:41:14 The Road to ChatGPT 00:52:37 What makes for a good RL researcher? 01:01:22 Keeping humans in the loop 01:15:39 State of research, plateaus, and moats Links: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/john-schulman-openai-cofounder-reasoning-rlhf-plan/id1516093381?i=1000655679622 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ivzHH9RWciXe4O1rKtldf?si=53503781e05f4d8f Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/john-schulman/ Me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp/ Sponsors: If you’re interested in advertising on the podcast, fill out this form: https://airtable.com/appxGOvFLDLP5dlzv/pagFVrbHRohW6F2bZ/form - Your DNA shapes everything about you. Want to know how? Take 10% off our Premium DNA kit with code DWARKESH at https://mynucleus.com/ - CommandBar is an AI user assistant that any software product can embed to non-annoyingly assist, support, and unleash their users. Used by forward-thinking CX, product, growth, and marketing teams. Learn more at https://www.commandbar.com/