In this episode, historian Professor Rudolph “Butch” Ware joins us for a conversation about the global system slavery built — and how its legacy still shapes the modern world.
He breaks down the myths we’ve been taught about abolition, the spiritual legacy of resistance, and how white supremacy was not just a byproduct of history, but an architecture that still defines our institutions.
We also talk about Gaza, the erasure of truth in public life, and how protest and free speech are being crushed in the U.S.
Butch is running for governor of California, so we ask him if this is the best way to make change, considering that he is operating in a political system that often rewards self-promotion and aggrandisement over fundamental reform.
UNAPOLOGETIC is Hosted by Ashfaaq Carim
Chapters
00:00 The hidden hands behind the slave trade
03:00 The scale of the Euro-American trade
06:15 Slavery and modern capitalism
09:05 Europe's underdevelopment of Africa
11:50 Early African resistance
14:00 Commodifying African bodies as currency
16:15 How European slavery was brutally different
19:00 Sexual violence and trauma under slavery
22:00 Destroyed families, lost spiritual legacies
24:40 Guns, warlords, and destabilised Africa
27:15 The myth of British abolition
30:05 African Muslims fight against slavery
33:30 Gaza and the legacy of colonial brutality
36:40 White supremacy: These aren’t people
39:30 End of empire
42:00 Campus repression and the imperial boomerang
45:00 Malcolm X and the betrayal of liberalism
48:00 Why Butch joined the Green Party
52:15 From mobilising to organising
55:00 California 2026: Breaking the duopoly
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0:00 A revolutionary political strategy
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5:00 Truth-telling vs politcal lobbying
7
0:00 Student resistance and corporate campuses
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4:00 A generation that’s built different
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7:00 The urgency of third-party power
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0:00 A final word on faith and freedom
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