The Jimmy Akin Podcast | Episode E023 (February 24, 2025)
In this episode, Jimmy responds to some arguments raised by Protestant apologist Gavin Ortlund, primarily concerning the papacy. Gavin claims that there was no bishop of Rome (pope) until well into the second century and that—even if we grant that Peter was the first pope—so much hangs on the idea that there are later popes that, if this were true, it needs to be taught in the New Testament. How can one respond to these claims? What does the historical evidence show? And does Gavin’s own system meet the test he is proposing?
Timecodes
00:00 – Coming Up
00:36 – Intro
01:11 – What I’m Doing Today
02:25 – Who Is Gavin Ortlund?
03:34– The Papacy and Sola Scriptura
05:01 – The “Ultimate Backstop”
13:00 – Engaging the Papacy
15:00 – The Monepiscopacy
17:46 – A Single Bishop in Rome?
33:26 – How Did the Monepiscopacy Begin?
37:21 – Popes & Ecumenical Councils
41:20 – Infallible Offices in the Old Testament
46:31 – First Century Evidence?
49:45 – Biblical Evidence?
1:09:01 – Concluding Thoughts
1:09:30 – Closing/Outro
1:10:28 - End
Original Heschmeyer-Ortlund Discussion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYj_6POocaA