Expert Talk: The Current State of Software Engineering • Jez Humble & Holly Cummins • GOTO 2023

This interview was recorded at GOTO Aarhus for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted #GOTOaar http://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/269/exploring-the-current-state-of-software-engineering Jez Humble - SRE at Google Cloud & Lecturer at UC Berkeley @JezHumble Holly Cummins - Senior Principal Software Engineer on the Red Hat Quarkus Team @Holly_Cummins RESOURCES https://dora.dev Jez https://continuousdelivery.com https://github.com/jezhumble https://linkedin.com/in/jez-humble https://twitter.com/jezhumble https://sre.google/resources Holly https://hollycummins.com https://hollycummins.com/type/blog https://twitter.com/holly_cummins https://hachyderm.io/@holly_cummins https://github.com/holly-cummins https://linkedin.com/in/holly-k-cummins DESCRIPTION Holly Cummins and Jez Humble explore the delicate balance of communication in the tech industry. They dissect two contrasting trends – the need for increased communication and the burden of communication overhead. Jez highlights the importance of effectively managing limited communication bandwidth, emphasizing the need to focus on the right things and automate processes when possible. They delve into the significance of good platforms and touch on the persistence of the perennial issue of code formatting standards. Despite the challenges, they remain optimistic about the potential for positive change and acknowledge the progress made through continuous integration. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 01:04 From Accelerate to SRE & beyond 05:18 Keeping up with modern software engineering trends 10:14 The social aspect of software engineering 13:48 The difficulties of initiating change 19:17 Balancing communication in tech 26:51 Addressing the formatting issue 32:29 The need for industry-wide standards 34:42 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble & Gene Kim • Accelerate • https://amzn.to/442Rep0 Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook • https://amzn.to/47oAf3l Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery • https://amzn.to/452ZRky Jez Humble, Joanne Molesky & Barry O'Reilly • Lean Enterprise • https://amzn.to/47pcOXD Holly Cummins & Timothy Ward • Enterprise OSGi in Action • https://amzn.to/3rn2POB Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075 Brendan Burns, Joe Beda & Kelsey Hightower • Kubernetes: Up and Running • https://amzn.to/3wrtwlp https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #DevOps #Accelerate #Microservices #DORAmetrics #ContinuousDelivery #JezHumble #HollyCummins #Programming #SoftwareEngineering #SRE #CICD #DevOpsHandbook #Communication Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1